Soviet-Finnish War1st day of the hearing - discussion of the 20's, 1935 - Finnish leaders harsh statements against the USSR, the desire to win Karelia, Leningrad, etc. They say, motifs from Finland to attack the Soviet Union had. In response - Finland is small, a small army.Indeed, Stalin's speech in "Pravda": "Can you imagine any kozyavochka threatens the elephant."On the one hand, Hitler responded to the Soviet invasion of Finland, as it belonged to the sphere of Soviet interests. Hitler's invasion would mean immediate war Germany and the USSR. But maybe germany simply not had the time to carry out mobilization? On the other hand, Finland supported by Britain, France and - that same Germany, so the USSR fought not only with Finland, but with a country that has behind Nazi Germany, plus the racist anti-Soviet attacks Finnish leadership. It may be added that Finland was an offensive war plan, according to refute Rezun about offensive plan in the USSR, Alexei Isaev.
Something is wrong here. Or Finland - in the interests of the Soviet Union, or it - in the interests of Germany.2nd day of the hearing - as bad fought the Red Army, and how well the Finns fought. Data on how bad was ready for war, the Red Army (plus moral factor Prorva surrendered prisoner) - are well known. But Mlechin said that just recently, it was recently declassified documents of the FSB and the Institute of History ... And all these are false data immediately. After revelations fakes KGB, the military prosecutor and the Institute of History of the fact that Lenin was a German spy, that the NKVD in Katyn-Schnick shot Poles.All right. But from consideration completely fell topic provocation attacks from the Finnish side. Unfortunately, neither the Mukhina, no one else I have not seen evidence that the Soviet Union was attacked after the shelling on the Finnish side. Accordingly, there is no evidence that Finland started shelling after shelling from the Soviet side. And both sides, and Kurginyan and Mlechin originally adopted the theory that the USSR was the aggressor in the war. Refusing to compromise through negotiations - after refusing to give Helsinki Karelian Isthmus.Now remember, before the U.S. aggression and NATO against Yugoslavia Washington has said it will defend the interests of the United States outside the UN framework. And before the aggression against Yugoslavia U.S. claim that they can pursue their interests and outside NATO. So it is unclear why Mlechin, speaking of the Soviet-Finnish War, not splashing saliva supposedly what dastardly American aggressors. Nothing good for Mlechin Svanidze and the American aggression there.
So, if it was proved that the Soviet Union was attacked first, so nothing Mlechin would condemn - it's a worldwide practice. Then feel free. It is necessary, therefore, was of interest, therefore, was, therefore, move over a small thing, give a piece of California ... ugh, that is, the isthmus. But the trouble is that the USSR was considered a socialist! He could not be the aggressor, he's not supposed to be the imperialist sharks. So one of two things: either the same cap. a country with a leaky, zoological certain social systems outside the aggressive policy, or bad aggressor. Choose.And to make it easier to choose, think again, who are in fact our those seeking leads in our hands, "We aim at Napoleon, two-legged creatures millions for us one gun ..."
Now you need to understand that Stalin was not a naive person, or those for whom aggression is akin to American expansion. Here Mukhin says that Stalin's order "not to succumb to provocations" was not as badly behaved warlords. It is unlikely - after all who would defy Stalin. Rather, the order was. Experts from Kurginyan will ask, "Who of the scouts have exactly date of the attack?" But is that the date of the case. If all the scouts choir sang "The attack soon!" So, is a pact of friendship and non-aggression and then - alienate the border from Leningrad. And then suddenly start not to believe the reports of scouts. That is, according to Suvorov, waiting for the world community was assured that it was Hitler attacked?From Leningrad to the Finnish border - 32 km. Soviet gun range - 17 km. The question is: how much of the Soviet-Finnish war alienated the siege of Leningrad? Why to put a stop to act mediocrity, and Zhukov put command only after a disaster?The fact that Stalin could not give an industrial area - is clear. But also did not want to give up the mother of Russian cities, was Kiev cauldron. If the Soviet Union called himself a capitalist, it is international practice - chop off yourself something for something. But the USSR called itself socialist, without the right to expand. There are more questions than answers.
The beginning of the 2nd World War.A sharp contrast to the previous transmission - Kurginyan brilliantly "lower" Mlechin and cost without theatricalism. May, after all, if he wants!"Expert" Andrei Zubov: England did not push Hitler to war with the USSR. Because England did not want any square meter in Poland and the Soviet Union got half of Poland.I have always been bad with geography. Especially - with the orientation of the terrain. But as far as I remember, the Red Army occupied not half, but a smaller part of Poland. After the war, the Soviet Union, too, and did not get a square meter in Poland, there is in fact not at all left immediately won the election, either in Poland or Czechoslovakia or in Hungary.Mlechin: the aim set by Stalin, was not met, he was not able to save the Soviet Union from German attack. And won the time spent stupidly, doing partition of Poland.Well, why mediocre. An overwhelming majority in the Western Ukraine voted for Soviet power - to get rid of the hated nobility. And no they are not a revolver to his head puts - read, read Mukhina!Meltyuhov: the Soviet Union, which after the 1st world yuerzhava not great was the desire to return to the club of world powers.Strongly. Hunting was a show off, it was to be. Imagine: the first state in the world, where the bourgeoisie seized property. The first single, surrounded by enemies, with backward and broken economy, battered army to shoot the leaders - want to return to the "club"! Yes, even the Soviet Union would survive, not to devour civilized imperialist sharks.
Kurginyan: Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, the division of spheres of influence - the usual international practice. Everything a pact, everything shared - and share! - Sphere of influence. And the whole world knows that the pact R.-M. - Forced, because of the cheap policy of Britain and France. And Poland, read Mukhina.Teeth, agreeing in all points with Kurginyanom, was able to answer, as rightly observed Serge, crow only unproven propaganda that the pact R.-M. was a very special and very bad.
Here's what to sing Svanidze Mlechin in general: recitative Suvorov-Rezun that, say, the U.S. and Britain had to somehow escape the threat of world revolution, and that none of the world revolution, the communists did not remove programs that in peace time it is difficult to shake the people, etc.First, it is well known that England and the United States pushed Hitler's attack on the Soviet Union - this is evidenced by all the archives in vain gang Mlechin resisted.Secondly, as you know, Rezun deliberately overdone with the version that Hitler saved Europe from communism. To the ordinary man in the street said: "Well, he's gone too far, and the truth is in the middle." Middle - the position of Britain and the United States, who wanted the Soviet Union and Germany were harassed one another, for so long, and was dragged to the second front. Rezun thus trying to provide them with an excuse.By the way, in the transfer of Solovyov's "To the Barrier" theatricalism Svanidze already engaged - on the same topic. His opponent was that Alexei Isaev, great military historian. Similarly, as Rezun he otschelkal nose and Svanidze, who did not know how many people died in World War II the Soviet people. not 23 million, not 43 millionSvanidze, are always without serious opponents, was not completely ready, it turned out that he was using all sorts of myths that. appeared to have no evidence - such as the notorious psychotronic weapons, "information on which they carefully conceal all exploration of the world", but who generously with Igor Prokopenko Russian intelligence service. So we are all under control, jerk is useless, it is not clear just why Afghanistan is not yet conquered the Taliban, in Iraq there are explosions, and Chechen fighters can not get enough in Dagestan, and why the fuck can not even zombie Ahmadinejad?!
Third, is Lenin did not think about any of the world revolution - after the collapse of the socialist revolution in Germany. And about any annexations did not dream. Conversely, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland gained independence. In 1921 at the X Congress Kavbureau Lenin introduced the NEP with an iron hand (curiously, as he was able, after such a sharp attack, which he allegedly gave in 1918 Sverdlov with Kaplan and some security officers, as it sounded to some stupid TV show) . Even worse, taken to establish diplomatic relations with the capitalist countries? But what about the workers of all countries? Probably in the cap. countries knew that Lenin was preparing to attack, and in order to engage in terror rushed diplomacy?In 1924, the possibility of building socialism in one country expressed Bukharin. In the end, his view was supported by Stalin. 2nd world, where together with the capitalist countries "socialist", just put points on the i: Comintern is no longer needed, and needed one, Roosevelt and Churchill each, you can make a gift. Paris is worth a mass!Return once more to the formulation Kurginyan: the pact R.-M. It is not unusual, IT backbencher world practice. Ie foreign policy of the socialist state, including aggression in the form of the division of spheres of influence (this is not the bombardment of Warsaw, Guernica, Kiev or Baghdad), the same as that of any OTP. COUNTRY.Well, judge for yourself: the Soviet-Finnish war. Mukhin even forced to write that the Soviet Union sought to distance the border from Leningrad, and cursed the Finns, well, would not want to give a piece of its territory. However, in exchange for Karelia. "Pravda" newspaper then wrote: "To carry out the age-old aspirations of the Finnish and Karelian people at a reunion." That's it. Karelians chayali always come from Russia!It is not after the pact R.-M. Public opinion has changed with regard to the Soviet Union, and from the beginning of the Soviet-Finnish War. More precisely with the Soviet-Finnish War, Hitler decided that the Soviet Union - a colossus with feet of clay, it starts with an intensive development plan "Barbarossa."Later in all school social studies textbooks USSR will formulation: "The export of revolution is impossible." Another example later became lead defeat Che Guevara. The most serious that in 1957 the Communist Party meeting in Moscow adopted the thesis that the basic contradiction of the period - not between labor and capital, and between the camp of "socialism" and the capitalist camp. However, in the textbooks of political economy to enter a thesis ashamed. What books - after all it is a question of foreign policy.
So. Let Kurginyan defends Stalin's his business. But it operates on real facts, not propaganda myths. What protects and gentlemen Mlechin Svanidze? Freedom? Democracy? How not. 10/09/2010 Gun in "Postsriptume" showed what freedom and democracy in the Western: a police baton in the face, the bones! Add that it is dead children in North Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Yugoslavia, and Afghanistan. This means that Mlechin Svanidze and does not protect freedom and democracy, as those in the West do not. And they protect the interests of the Western monopolies. It was just that.10/11/2010
Home WWII
Quite advantageous for Mlechin theme was too tough for him. Chattering shouting each other vypedrivalis each other, who is more read the word, it came down to the usual stupid, ignorant and worthless Moscow people. Alas, who attended Alexei Isaev only slightly affected the situation.Speakers impressed the audience with their military competence. For example:"When three people coming in one shot - that one will die." Or:"Loss of time on accommodation in Poland objectively greatly hindered preparation for battle." Or:"Intelligence sources are not so clear." "No scout the exact date of the invasion."Then laugh or cry? The studio could not make out what parts of it threw the Germans from Moscow. Shared: the soldiers and generals, if general - not a soldier.
Took languages son Mikoyan - from Lenin to Illich Meuse heart attack and paralysis - and grandson of the same move quickly. Remember the anecdote? Mikoyan leaves guests outdoors rain, he is advised to take an umbrella, but it does not take away. One guest wondered another explains, "It will be between the jets."
Kurginyan also hoisted Mlechin to masquerade: the number of losses of the tragic error, and the other about the courage of soldiers - in comparison with the French.Kurginyan: You can, of course, be blamed on the defects of the Soviet system ...Ie and Mlechin and Kurginyan talked about the system. Mlechin for the whole system, headed by Stalin bad. If not for the huge power of the USSR, it would be seized as France. Conversely, Kurginyan attributed the victory not only people, but the system.By the way, the dissidents mid 80's claimed that "Stalinist" system is good only during the war.Three points.
If you mean a system of production, the production in the Soviet Union is no different from any capitalist monopoly. Kurginyan lying about the system.
At the time of war, any country militarization, militarization and the economy. Mlechin lying about the system.
Unlike some systems, there really is: if the USSR traded with Germany until the morning of 22 June (that's when the last car with nickel crossed the Soviet-German border), the U.S. trade with it, and after entry into the war. A fuel for war with the Soviet Union in return for receiving Fritz release senior Jews, writes Julian Semenov to continue "17-moments."
Understand what is allowed States, the Soviet Union is not allowed. Because the Soviet Union by its name on the bow-tie can not be imperialist sharks. The moment came when the Soviet leadership began to interfere with this bow. And as a sign that it was thrown, it immediately began to speak, in all countries of the world beating protesters, right?Another thing is that trying to equate Mlechin country was attacked, with a country that was attacked, the Soviet Union and Germany.Regarding the role of Stalin, his disastrous mistakes and ignorance are well known to Soviet historians, they are all described in Soviet literature. Another thing is that he quickly learned, otherwise I would say we are now in German. If I said at all. But not in the way of that without Stalin ... etc. Just if the post commander remained the man who crushed the job to staff, then - it is clear, in this case, talking about the merits of Stalin's stupid.
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