Brezhnev eraObese man of Physical-Technical Institute. I said, not an economist, but here on the stove to light - the U.S. economy, and then on to grab onto the toilet - the economy of the USSR ... And right now, says the proportion remains the same ... I said, not an economist, but I got 68 p . Stipe, was forced to go to the country once on the scene and saw the horrible nature of our economy. Well, the team faces Mlechin, they could just be silent, to want to drop a brick. Mlechin, Yasin - like anything, but as a conspiracy, so just want a brick ...Roy Medvedev also did not disappoint: as, say, poor lived in Nizhny Tagil.
We all wanted to get to the Physics and Technology, at NSU in baumanku or, at least, at MSU. But I never thought that such teaching Fiztekh mast ...Even the "Kommersant" provides data on 50% of Russia's economic losses as a result of the reforms. In the Patriotic lost 30% - that economy. A é, then remained the Ms! Well, nonsense. Today, Russia's GDP - 3% of the world, 50-year - 7.3% of the world, despite the war.
Now about physicists and workers. The average salary of a worker in the USSR - 216 p. Plus a premium, children's benefits, seniority, regional coefficient. A skilled worker could earn to overtime 700-800 p. in months. Master production in the 1st year of operation - 400 p. The bus driver - 500 p. Miner in the Kola received 1000 r. MTR student on summer vacation by 12-14-hour day could bring the work site in the region of 1 thousand rubles. During the school year has always been the opportunity to earn a janitor or janitor.Research Engineer Research Institute or University in the 1st year of operation - 110 p. Second year - 125 p. 4th year in office junior - 140 p. Next, Senior - 170 p. Of course, a couple of weeks off - shabashka but. In PSU twice a year - health, full provision for a month for 9 rubles. Plus food stamps: pay 30 kopecks., Take food for 60 kopeks. - 30 coupons per month. The minimum cost of lunch - 60 kopeks. The quality of food, we have already spoken. Many were taken to 90 coupons per month. And Cassius betrayed instead of "remaining" stamp money, 60 kopecks. per ticket. Professor received in the region of 600 p. in months. Plus FES - introduction, inventions, plus a contract basis. The whole country was sitting on a contract basis.Cackling liberals clear: working "Reno" got in the early 90's about 10 thousand francs, architect - 17 thousand, the engineer - 25 thousand same scheme for all the countries of the CMEA. However in the UK, for example., Qualified dockworker could get more than a professor uni.Western working receive 40-60% of the value of production. Work Permian s da them. Dzerzhinsky - 7%, c-yes to them. Lenin - 9%, c-yes to them. Sverdlov - 12% PGATP-2 - 13.5%. But. apartment - free rent - negligible. In France, it is half of revenue. A free passes? Free education and medicine? However, in the UK or France also was treated and taught for free, but as soon as the Soviet Union collapsed, it ignored the people and removed the free health care and education. If anyone says that the medicine in the West, a higher level, to spit in the eye. Everywhere gut check savage method - through the anus pumped barium. As to the training. Mean years of schooling in the Soviet Union - 11 years. In Europe - 13 years. In the U.S. - 16 years. Ask our pupils and students who have moved to the U.S. as oafish American students and students.But that such an army they had not - the whole country is caught fish in boots of-arms protective kit! And there, in UGC, went to pick mushrooms. Of what did garages for cottages? Their empty containers for missiles for free (Permian KBMash). All that has been created by the people for the Army, through the institution of warrant evenly distributed among the population through universal equivalent. Refractory bricks with any plant - for free. Well, if a lot - so pay at COST! Can you imagine that some of Holland plant manager for the good work presented laborer GAZ-24? Now for the wood products. Sushina - for free. Some penny, I do not remember the raw wood. If free from branches, remove and show forester - get reward. License to hunt moose - only 70 p. Etc.
Neither Japan nor Germany did not suffer so much from the war, as the Soviet Union - this is the main reason for the backlog. We lost the best human resources. Moreover, Stalin refused dollar infusions (the Marshall Plan), as pump kind of third world countries, like Germany, could not. And on the Japanese economic miracle: after the Cold War, a small Japan, which did not need to spend money on defense, kicked ass amerikashkam. And then did the same as the USSR challenged the state. control of private capital and led institution of lifetime employment. That's where the high life - confidence in the future.Countries differ integral index - mortality. In the Soviet Union under Brezhnev was one of the lowest mortality rates in the world. Here you have the Nizhny Tagil. But I understand why Roy said so. Eg., In Leningrad in the same turbine gave twice at Turbine in Sverdlovsk. Wachter at PSU gets 70 p. for 190 hours per month., and MSU - 90 p. for 168 hours. As one cook in the dining room of MSU, "them there in the province to work better." And on the plate in the dining room including stated: "diethyl". But Yasin generally need to keep quiet in a cloth.
Brezhnev era. Agony or the time of missed opportunities. Confrontation with the West - to the benefit or detriment
Mlechin: during the Brezhnev era upon us under threat of war. Were Afghanistan, Czechoslovakia (where we used to love), SDI, etc.Kurginyan: - it was a two-way process, it is not just Afghanistan, it's Vietnam.Roy Medvedev: in time established by the OSCE, the guarantor of peace. Was an agreement between Ford and Brezhnev, was dischargedMlechin - 13 thousand dead in Afghanistan - it's a failure.Rassokha historian: a confrontation with the West - is a one-way from the USSR. A necessary condition for self-preservation, self-justification was an enemy. Food from the West and gear for oil - we are dependent on the enemy. Oil prices dropped - some changes, before there was an enormous inflation, reflected in the deficit.Nadezhdin Politician confrontation - error unwinding it has meant that we have become dependent on oil.Svanidze: they say - if only to avoid war - but the war is not there! - Rassokha: a local war, and Prorva veterans? Normal countries do not fight anybody with anybody.Nadezhdin: a fundamental difference not thought Brezhnev - the Yankees do not stand in line, and we ate American bread.Mlechin: under Brezhnev supplied weapons Hussein, Hafez Assad, billions of dollars, and no one is paid. And the lure of vanity. Eastern Europe - as soon as the troops withdrew, friends fled.Marietta Chudakova writer: who was going to, then to attack us? Brezhnev took holy feeling liberator in Czechoslovakia. Machinery and equipment 25 years has not been updated, our weapon is the third world is not buying.Kurginyan: how can we condemn the action in Czechoslovakia, without condemning the U.S. actions in Chile?
Nadezhdin, if anyone came to the U.S. from Africa, he was asked - but as you have human rights?Kolpakidi: those who "lure", paid (cited figures).Svanidze: people under Stalin were not fed.Marietta Chudakova: a list of places in the world - length, killing our children, memorial, which created the Swan. Train terrorists, we supported the Red Brigades ...Kurginyan: Red Brigades created SISM, Italian intelligence (archives NATO) - on the orders of the CIA. Those who lure: "It's bastards, but our bastards", it was said the American, not Brezhnev.Kolpakidi: USSR sold weapons to 20 billion dollars in 1989, we were the first. Under Brezhnev - 15 billion Only one African president ate people. They were supported by France.Svanidze: Did these people money, the cat went from friends we have supplied the weapons? This money was used for nuclear bombs, that is, back to the weapon. Then there was no private property, were empty shelves, there were queues. Gromyko said, "Americans are being driven - and we are persecuted." We assumed that we would win, but it's impossible.Mlechin: friends gave $ 100 billion because he refused to "Satan" - little things, the main thing - the refusal of opposition under Gorbachev.Team Kurginyan: Only a fool does not think about the conditions of the transaction
Kuvaldin, doctor of historical sciences: the whole world lived by the threat of nuclear annihilation, warheads could work without the will of the leadership. The flight time of 2-5 minutes, we had to pay for something to clean medium-range missiles. I talked with Gorbachev, he understood it all. To speak of a conscious surrender - no relation to reality.
Svanidze: There are people who were lying on the machine - nothing bad to see, because in that system ... Watching Congress Sun, people are rooting for the country ... Rape Russia began in 1917 ...
CommentKolpakidi not quite accurate: in the late 80's the USSR sold the weapons seem to be on the amount of 27 billion dollars, was parity, the U.S. sold, it seems a little more. After the collapse of Russia's exports decreased tenfold in the market place of the USSR occupied Britain, France, but in general, the United States. However, after 1993, began to decline in R & D NATO shut Institute for Nuclear Research, etc. - since the collapse of the military-industrial complex began in Russia.Mlechin thesis about the threat of war because Afgan untenable. If so, the threat of war looming in the Gorbachev-Yeltsin after the collapse of the Soviet military-industrial complex and the wars in Iraq and Yugoslavia.Relative to the Red Brigades: their basis - the terrible corruption of the factory administration. With the poor south of Italy by workers, took up arms and put finances plants under strict control. The factories have tips, they dream Myasnikov, Kollontai, Shlyapnikov. As a result, the workers of factories improved. Red Brigade lost support. And then - standard: their isolation criminalized, discredited.
I did not know that in nature there is such a writer - Chudakov. My God, how many. Likely, "Minuteman" and "Polaris" U.S. did against Mongolia. Moreover, the majority of U.S. arms began, and only then to catch up with the Soviet Union - from the atomic bomb (Pravda, the hydrogen we beat them). Mlechintsy can not break out of the cliché cheap American propaganda 80, that, say, the Soviet Union no one was going to attack, that "normal country no one who does not fight," etc.One such cliche - 'oil needle ". This is because Russia is Mlechin supplier of raw materials, it Mlechin screamed that "we do not need these plants, this weapon," etc. Now they are chirping: "We do not want these cars, it's agriculture." The fact that Russia has become a raw materials appendage of the West - an exceptional achievement Mlechin. Look at any directory: export of petroleum and petroleum products - 4% of the budget.But the top of Western propaganda - they are human rights. Americans support before Batista Somoza, Videla, Viola, Pinochet, to see, for a long time they were questioned, they say, as you will honor the freedom of speech? Well. and kill people - it is an internal matter ... I imagine an African leader comes to the White House and says, "I want to make podlyanku USSR, give money, weapons ..." But to him: "I would like to - yes moral principles do not allow. Code of the Builder of capitalism prevents - because you do not have freedom of speech ... "No idea that the thesis of peaceful co-existence of the two systems and the discharge - is clever tricks designed to hide the intention to win States. And do not ever think that the Soviet Union sold the old tanks with guns to make nuclear bombs. First, Svanidze strange understanding, how a budget. Second, if the weapon is not sold, there would be no money for the nuclear bomb? Svanidze would like the Soviet people, the money received from the sale of weapons, eaten? So let him go to the U.S. and say this Yankees, they support him, they will also spend more money on food defense. He himself realized that blurted out?But stupid all the world to the brink of war, put the one with whom the discharge began, and Khrushchev kuz'kinu mother and missiles in Cuba for Mlechin turned peacemaker. What a blatant lie, said Goebbels, the more believe in it.
Of course, the list of places where he fought the Soviet Union - long ones. The United States is not less Chudakova with Svanidze U.S. is against him. Kurginyan rights: both countries are good, a two-way process, it is a confrontation between two superpowers. You know what I mean? The fact that the difference is not present.
Brezhnev-3Personnel policyMlechin: cut all the best. Zamyatin said as he waited Podgorny 2:00, it appeared that he was cut dominoes.Nadezhdin: there are two ways - fair competition and when negotiated between his. Brezhnev failed in the task of developing the country.Kurginyan: Brezhnev fought in conditions of severe political competition with Shelepin.Nadezhdin: he's a brilliant schemer, and the results - a small amount of housing.
Scab: some strategic thinking he had. Jokes - is good-friendly attitude, he did not blame the hard life of the people.Kolpakidi: he wrote poetry, had outstanding qualities, life plowed. To his credit - free education, unemployment was not ...
Mlechin: funny personality cultKolpakidi: this is embarrassing, but harmless ... personally oversaw the 15 economic programs ...Svanidze how he could oversee economic programs?Mlechin he is illiterate and did not read it. All trash flourished under Brezhnev, none punished for corruption, the Minister of Fisheries Ishkov, Krasnodar, Medunov, Shchelokov ...Kolpakidi: Brezhnev reversed rotation - very bad, this is the way to the mafia, etc. But corruption in Russia was the least under Brezhnev, compared compare with tsarist Russia ...Svanidze: under Brezhnev was no private property, stealing - from the general deficit of pantyhose ...Mlechin: Party members were stealing money, it has evolved under Brezhnev ...
Svanidze: Brezhnev era - the best years or the lost time?Kurginyan: in the USSR a developed socialism, there is a new historical community - the Soviet people. Comprehensive development of the individual, not only education but also education, in contrast to the American system. The circulation of popular science magazines has increased dramatically, the Georgian era, the Baltic cinema ...Svanidze: a number of books on the shelves?Scab: children of perestroika - literacy declined sharply, largely presently kept at the time of Brezhnev ... Favorite artists Brezhnev - Pugachev Zhvanetsky, Petrosyan.Mlechin: a talent Pugacheva - what's the Brezhnev? But Pushkin also had to be thankful for the king? Good movie under Brezhnev - scraping, our modern students are more versed in life, more educated, where research back?Marietta Chudakova: my friend came to the conservatory, here lies the great scientists - many hours of Marxist political economy of socialism - a defunct science Muratova told that the film was not allowed to show the hard life of the poor even before the revolution, Korolenko ("Children Underground") . Brezhnev - last Utopian party program - utter cynicism. Anecdote: three qualities have never given a single set - mind, party and quality. In the 70's neither joined the Communist Party ideologically. Changed the composition of the director's more stupid.
Svanidze: the question of the Brezhnev era heyday or lost opportunity (as agony or flourishing? BI)Kurginyan: the index of human development - longevity, mental development, in 90 - 0.92 Brezhnev, it is far below
CommentYes, the example of Pugacheva - failed. If Russia should be grateful Belinsky, Herzen for cleansing campaign literature against Bulgarin, who filled the reading rinok, so Pushkin to performances Belinsky and Herzen did not read, the Soviet Union should thank it for cultivation Zhvanetsky Brezhnev, Pugachev, Petrosian. Thank you.Of course, under Brezhnev, many books - special repository. So in fact there were no problems to get them! And if the country were yesterday Shop books on the shelves today these stores - jewelery yes condoms with pimples.Yes, wrote poetry. Dug their Dmitry Ustinov, a friend of my grandfather. Poetry - no, that only with people not being done for old age. Yes, the schemer. There was a time - PSU professor Mikhail Suslov was on the side against his namesake Brezhnev, Suslov. Was admitted to the most secret archives. He is a member of the Committee, said: "When I came out, I thought that would be better if I did not know it." Shit - Mt.But what, you Chudakova, dog difference, Brezhnev was utopian or not. When it had the lowest mortality rate that is three times lower than today. But.
We must understand that the jokes about Brezhnev were not good-natured. People traveling on a bus, then another overeaten - reading a newspaper with a photo in a black frame. The first did not see who it is, anything can looks over his shoulder. The second turns the newspaper comes out. He followed him. The man turns around, "Not him." And as for the gold ring in the nose? And "I like the sun, grief, people telling the truth?" We need to understand why, with the advent of many Andropov zateplilas hope.Can not say that corruption flourished under Brezhnev. Would it not be theft in the Party apparatus in the 20's? Is not raped Ruslanova gold, diamonds, paintings, royal bed, 4-car? Is Shulzhenko the war not speculate? Is not found in beetles carpet warehouses and other wealth? Is not Grechko collected priceless paintings?
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