Industrialization - undue strain or leap into the future.

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NEP could not provide a way out of the crisis. Lag of the USSR from the West. Western studies show that the Soviet Union was built on the bones. In conditions of extreme hunger, even when they worked for the feeding.Was industrialization properly secured ideologically?Kurginyan: a matter of principle, if would be a different scenario, call these scripts. People's Commissar for Foreign Trade Mikoyan at the Congress VKPb: we can survive if we import machinery, capital goods for the production of the means of production, but at what expense? Through the export of what? Future War - war planes and tanks, you need to create dozens, hundreds of new industries if the costs of the village was not, then there would be a much greater cost.Boris Shpotov: the USSR was built into the system of world economic relations from the beginning of creation, this concession, it is not just imports, but imports of Western technology, petroleum cracking, vysoooktanovogo grades of gasoline for aircraft, conveyor technology, it was done reasonably and in large numbers.

Mlechin: the essence of what is - where to get the money to buy equipment and all? Through exports. Russia was the largest exporter of the grain, if not collectivization and dispossession - it would be corn. The Soviet Union before the end of its existence could not feed themselves.Shpotov: meant not only grain but also other agricultural products, other raw products - grain, timber, furs, and minerals!Mlechin: yield 20's recovered in 30 years in 1956.
Industrialization is not to blame, blame the lack of currency crisis in the West - we hunger - we tore technical assistance agreements with foreign countries, as soon as the box could put shops.Mlechin: if not destroyed agriculture, would not need to exchange.
Svanidze: Was industrialization properly secured politically and economically?Mlechin: there is no doubt that industrialization was necessary, but a big jump, or by plundering villages, built not only plants, but the new economy, we are now here - this success is the fact that we wanted?Yevgeny Yasin: there were several alternative projects, they were balanced, Kovalevsky, Bogdanov, Chayanov, Yurovsky, Kondratyev ... Stalin said - these remove, undo the theory. Equilibrium, all cleaned, shot ...Mlechin team: You're talking about care grain purchases is 08.09 lives as people do not leave anything, was the main export grain price - ruined people ... Model catching up - the first model - the Soviet Union - not be anything else, what price do the trick - the canonical model of the planning system as it was possible to rely on the old resources - motivation. Peasants, they worked no worse than the Chinese, it was used, but after mobilization economy has passed its peak, it has led our country to disaster.
Kurginyan: If only one person had died for industrialization, if there was something that could do without the death - is a crime, but when on the figures, if we say that killing is less, is the justification? No. Where the real numbers, where the story begins and ends the myth? What hunger is like starving Russia under Stolypin, the surplus-appropriation system never squeeze the last grain under Stolypin 1000000 600 ... Minister Kuropatkin: Fast 42 million (Report king), Stolypin - starved 32 million ...Nina Rogoff: with industrialization - it was the only man-made famine.Yasin: specially organized.Mlechin: it was totally immoral action, the authorities did not care about people.Yasin: in the 30 years of collectivization - only to pump out for the rights of the top, then that could be the price of hunger ... no one paid any attention to the people ... the surplus - to leave nothing ... (bullshit, see any Directory, B.) In Ukraine, Yushchenko found Famine - 6 million people have died ... (he could count? with a calculator or something, go? figure of 7 million - from the Western propaganda. During all the years of repression - 6.5 million including hundreds of thousands of real spies and anti-Soviet, BI)Kurginyan: three times less. I have data (Neformal former anarchist who hates the Bolsheviks, BI), Alexander Shubin ... (Sasha Shubin may be other information that he did not steal from anyone. And two million could not be, B . I.)Yasin: you know, that shot Osa? For the census ...Kurginyan: we have a mathematical model, we have a story that is ready to fight back the anti-Soviet myths ... (none of this at Kurginyan no, he's not a Marxist but a liberal statesman, BI)
Svanidze: The Hermitage: two thirds of the exhibits are not available, sold on the cheap, all the first five-year system - a huge issue, twice the amount of money produced product ... The issue - the opium of the people, it has led to higher prices ... The camp production, the entire economy - an area the worst - that got russ village collapsed production of agricultural goods, the village fell to the end of the Soviet regime never recovered ... The most important thing - 4 - 8 million Russian peasants ... (nonsense. BI)Kurginyan: Let's count ... Mlechin America: we are not Americans, to discuss America ... Kurginyan: America is proud of its history. Stalin did not know a damn whether the war, we call only one - proud of their history.Shpotov I morally afraid to tell, I tend to the fact that despite all the terrible sacrifices - bungling on estimated ... Svanidze: kill people! Shpotov: This is bad, so what?Kurginyan: and someone thinks it's good?
Q: The pace of industrialization - the need for, or ...Mlechin give to George Tomchin: initially, professional terms they could not perform physically feasible plans, instead of facts - the report. The report in fact expelled Shakhty affair pots in the Industrial Party, the statistics do not drive in the enterprises, and the Commissariat - tanks can not move because spare not, we took the submarine to one year, and let another year, it is important to report to you, if you are told off by the fact you will remove the head. What was in the NEP, to whom Father Fyodor went - to engineer Bruns, 5 years engineer was none, at best, a pest ... (Engineer Bruns - Nepman? Menshevik Bureau of the RSDLP in 1931, commuted the sentences, many released Ramzin received award, and as with all Mlechin Tomchin industrialization are the engineers who do not benefit and they are seen as pests on How to implement industrialization without statistics?
Kurginyan: what kind of training they have received in the West, and how many received? Said that in the West? French newspaper: "Communism with enormous speed gains, achieving a 5-year plan, the car factory, power station, a network of chemical plants in the Urals, the Soviet industry as a well-watered plant, socialism can curse, but it needs to know in 1932 - Russia is moving forward as Our factories are idle, Ross - the country amazing activity ... "Tomchin: the man had 2.3 square meters. meters of housing - from our statistical archives.Mlechin: farmers kicked out of the house they lived in the dorms, for 12 years ...Kurginyan: ie working class is not necessary to make?Kurginyan: Dnieper ... built about 1,500 industrial facilities, just 4,500 industrial facilities ...Yuri Morukov, a specialist in the GULAG: our adversaries are cunning, we took out the bread up to the war, this is the main foreign exchange earnings ... dissemble about the NEP and the high yields in the 19, the 26-27, Tambov peasants spent on liquor abyss tons of grain, 1 - S 2 five-year plan, no businesses have been built without the prisoners ... (false, such a large number of prisoners at that time was not, BI)Kurginyan: White Sea Canal - 3% -5% of the prisoners.Team Mlechin: firewood provided only Moscow and Leningrad ...Svanidze: Stalin said that the Year of Great Change will make the country bread, 1932 - The great famine ...Team Kurginyan: victims, the victims - but - as if the war was lost?Yassin: the war depends on the policies pursued by the Soviet state - say, we are surrounded by enemies, we are afraid and can destroy, if we spent another policy ... we could not enter into a pact with Hitler, he never would attack us, if we did not show that we are in this position, there may have been other options if there was another watered but - by all means get their way, because today we are voting for Stalin ... (that should tell the people the truth, that we were not surrounded by enemies, and with pretty druzhochkami that first cut on the backs of the Red Star, who were eager to get back what they stole from the people? Or USA, England is not pushed Hitler's war against the Soviet Union? And what fool would refuse from the image of the enemy? ? or threat of Bolshevism, nobody in the West was not singing? Yasin - yes ... or for kids trying. BI)

Industrialization-2
Yasin: it was a catch-up model, we built a system of planned development in order to catch up, we have built a system so that all knew it should not be done, the system collapsed. (Version "model of catch-up" - a sick fantasy liberals. Least to a distant country had the right to be called a socialist - because socialism is a system with a higher level of economy. But only an idiot not understand that capitalism - is always a war, take over the country and the division of the world, in these circumstances, winning only a highly developed economy. But in Russia, it was backward, that is a lure for bold West, but still wanted to punish those who took the loot bourgeoisie, BI)Kurginyan: 1st Five-Year Plan has not been implemented, but the 2 I surely was performed. Litchuk writes that socialist industrialization using only internal sources for the period less than in the U.S., Britain and France. USSR distracted 1, 6% of national income, England - 4-5%Nina Rogalin: 1987 is not so!Kurginyan: if 6.5 experts say times have numbers, what are we discussing? What percentage of the economy created prisoners?Rogalin: 10%Yasin: how to count? I do not believe it. You communism was little?Kurginyan: We're sick of the myth and propaganda from your ... The growth of food consumption ...Svanidze: millions died of starvation ...Valentin Berezhkov: to name products that are on sale, red and black caviar, meat, sausages, cheese, salmon, even in subway stations selling chops and steaks, for milk and fermented baked milk - do not want to take the money ...Yasin: do not make a plan system ...Kurginyan team: we have learned to do so, as they were not able ...Shpotov: industrialization - was urbanization, the growth of employment in the industrial industry - have reached the level of developed countries, despite the backwardness, the industry has grown, the dependence on the modernization of the West ... ...Mlechin: can we call modernization, when people run out of the village, when there was a system in the world ... new industries, and that the economy could not, because organic defects ...Subject Japanese collectivism.Mlechin: China tried to industrialize, but what experience China relied - on the Soviet, who else could benefit from this experience, which collectivist tradition, peasants who fled from hunger, what collectivism, myths - in fact, the experience from which it is necessary to give up.Emelyanyanov: there was the Soviet bloc, Japan learned from the Americans, but the U.S. has to learn from the Japanese - patriarchal relations ...Mlechin: they all did well, but the Japanese experience to move to the U.S. kidney failed.Zlobin: that collectivism (?) Is absurd, because country has failed, I live in America, the whole history of the Russian economy - is a bad model, it is the pill authorities ... in the 1st year of the war 60% was under the Germans, was sitting commissioner and decided people do not decide ... Do not people have to feel sorry for Russian people in the EC model I myself worked at MSU, this experience should be used, so that no one was going that way.
Kurginyan: What do you mean nothing to people to decide (yes live, work - on foot, in both the U.S. and the USSR, decided Ivan the Terrible, Stalin, or the oligarchs, the worker does not solve anything, BI)Alexei Isaev: recently we wanted to print out any bast banner around the production workers make heroic - and maybe there is fear, and suddenly there Gagarin, the Queen ...Zlobin: How many people must suffer, if a man is not normal - working, you need to suffer for 36 hours ...Kurginyan: this is not normal? Scientists of the world ... not the Soviet economy was considered stillborn ...
Yasin: in the early years was the enthusiasm that many believed were big achievements, the achievements of Soviet science ... after we found that the possibilities, conditions less than abroad ...Kurginyan: nomenclature sits on yachts, she is guilty, she suppressed rush era ...Svanidze: the people of the upper classes drove and drove in 1917 at Gagarin strength exhausted, there was no horse fizzled out, and the British had no problems with agriculture (Horse rising from its knees, says Putin, BI).Kurginyan: heavy price were not built saunas there, and factories here. And then that society deceived Western myths.Mlechin: Kosygin wrote that in Siberia during the NEP at inns cleanliness, comfort, and we are after all this NEP lost, earlier in Moscow every step of the homemade pies, he took everything, everything that he did, crumbled, it was early more ...Voting: Facilities - undue strain - 58% population - 90% - a breakthrough.