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понедельник, 14 января 2013 г.

Khrushchev's policy-2

Casual workers Part XI
 

Cosmonaut Grechko praised Khrushchev. Sure.Boris Zhutovski: I thank him - briefcase with soap and a towel, made for the area to get away. Meeting in the Arena - you know, if you do not speak to a professional professionals, professional, or refuses or is suffering.Igor Orlov: Khruschev time - is an attempt to create a society where people comfortably. A network of dry cleaners grilbary ...Kurginyan: A garden plot, which Khrushchev abolished? His policy of the Navy? Crushing tracks marine IL-28, etc.Grechko: our economy could not at that time to build aircraft carriers and missiles. I had to choose, because the planes flew over our enemy, but we could not bring them down.Kurginyan: Report Khruschev at the 20th Congress of the area led many critics, was not told the truth, de-Stalinization - this is mine.Mao, Enver Hoxha, issued a statement that Hrushev did not consult with the fraternal parties, and the result was an offensive against the Communist Party.Kurginyan: I had contact with a Chinese leadership, I wondered why you can not support the de-Stalinization. I replied: "We can not lose face."

Xenia Myalo: it's selfish - in the report nor the problems of the Red Terror, nothing. a narrow response to a narrow layer - instead of looking for ways of movement.Mlechin: Of course, of course, I had to tell the story of the Soviet Union ...Kurginyan I'm against the de-Stalinization. It was a stupid act, stupid liberal anti-Stalinist first (the fig itself, if "The Tale of the experience" Dyakov held at the special repository, Yes and humpback "Years and war," and other books against Stalin. BI).Mlechin: identifies two positions narrated shames our face, and the other - it was necessary to tell everything and wash. And there is no common groundSvanidze: Khrushchev resolved the problem of communal. Gagarin's flight. But the decree of the 58th - the ban on cattle in private households, raw land, corn on the cold ground.Grechko, he wanted to escape from the personal site, but instead agrogoroda. Alas, with the implementation of bad apples cut down, agrogoroda not built.
Kurginyan: the decline in economic growth, Novocherkassk.Emelyanov: Tbilisi - demonstrations. Poland - dispersal of demonstrations, Hungary - all Khrushchev. Imre Nagy did what he recommended Moscow (Dana? BI). Contract with Sukarno, who wanted to take New Guinea from the Netherlands, asked Golan submarine to sink off New Guinea. Holland - a NATO member, would be a war.Yuri: Khrushchev's ignorance - he knew nothing about foreign policy. He said: "We can sweep away all the NATO countries with one blow, threatened 100 megatons of nuclear bombs. Suez crisis, the Berlin crisis, the Caribbean crisis - the world lived on the brink of war.
Mlechin: but Khrushchev reconciled with Yugoslavia. Treaty with Austria, the arrival of Adenauer, the Treaty with Japan, turn to the Middle East to the Arab world, a visit to Shepilov talks in Cairo, fraternal Nasser. Finland gave the base, went to Geneva to the UK.Beetles cause the break with Yugoslavia - on the orders of Tito to the landing craft were placed Yugoslav and Albanian division to Greece to support the rebels. In Yugoslavia should we ask for forgiveness.Team Kurginyan: but there was a precipitous withdrawal from Austria and Japan Khrushchev promised two islands still raskhlebat can not.Grinevsky, diplomat main achievement - that we can sit and discuss nobody accused of treason (as this is true, BI). He proclaimed peaceful coexistence systems. Avoided a major risk - the world war involving nuclear weapons. Called to stop the arms race, that other countries do not have nuclear weapons. Treaty Banning Nuclear Weapon Tests. After the Cuban missile crisis hotline installed.
Kurginyan quoted Anastas Mikoyan: Khrushchev struck the aircraft, made many mistakes, but foreign policy have been taken such steps, which could end badly, we were on the verge of war. Khrushchev - Brake discharge.Kurginyan we are sitting on the ruins of a great empire, in the garbage, there would be three million homeless children, Khrushchev laid the mines - both in religion and in all areas.Oleg Grinevsky: if Beria came - the USSR would exist, but we have not used so freely talked. Who think that it was possible to preserve the USSR - in fact, there is no mind.Kurginyan: that outweighs a Grinevsky? Speaking or 3 million homeless?Svanidze: Khrushchev fell out with Mao may not have to tell the truth?Emelyanov: Khrushchev just poured a bucket of slops on the dead. This is not true and false, is one millionth of a grain of truth.Kurginyan: the notion of truth in politics is very thin, however, which serves a specific group - is not it. On Mao's telling the truth, but from the standpoint of those who love their country.Mlechin: Khrushchev told the whole truth, even timid attempt them all terribly scared - showed the weakness of the system. Worth it to pull out of the fear of the basement, and the system staggered. Khrushchev was not to blame for the weakness of the system.
CommentOf course, it was utter nonsense, for example., The gap between Stalin and Tito - because of Greece. Or work under socialism can only be forced. Ie workers in the factories were in a concentration camp? This is bullshit. Mlechin Gaidar need competition between workers, the labor market, the army of unemployed. But in Japan, before the collapse of the USSR was not the labor market, was the institution of lifetime employment, companies raised "corporate patriotism", prohibiting competition.But first Mlechin not have to lie, the first time he did without clowning. First Kurginyan not really could not say anything.
Of course there were, Khrushchev, and crimes such as destruction of cruisers. There was an anti-Semitic campaign in 1958 (which quickly turned, as the wrath of the princes, the Jews quickly spread to the heads of non-Jews). Corn, a division of Party committees - little things, as an experiment. Where it is foolish to Khrushchev credited with Gagarin's flight. But it was with the filing of Khrushchev in the Soviet Union went full speed the development of computers. It was folded under Brezhnev, because of what the Soviet Union lagged behind the U.S. and Japan in the next 10-15 years.At the same time, the uneducated Khrushchev - the persecution of cybernetics (wl "Technology - Youth" in 1958, wrote: "Science - reactionary pseudo-science, grist to the mill of unbridled imperialist propaganda") were persecuted even in quantum mechanics. Rumer physicist had to 5 years working in the south bathhouse attendant. Assumed to persecution and the general theory of relativity, the Hilbert-Einstein. And how do you elimination intelligence network in the world?Yes, Khrushchev, spitting on the fraternal Communist Party (as Stalin dissolved the Comintern), much they hurt their report. Party Maurice Thorez decreased by 30%.
Yes, it was told half-truths. For sure, it was stated that there was a break with Stalin, Lenin's "Deal" (Little believes that it is not, but Kurginyan believes that this is so, but it was useful). Mlechin nothing suggests that bloodlust of Stalin's time follows from the Leninist principles, it is a just a lie. Myalo just do not know that if any state shoot, so in a socialist workers and peasants and shot put should not, she does not realize that a direct link between Stalin and the capitalist state. And is not aware of it, that the essence of leftist ideas, and a place where "leftism" in the labor movement. She does not know what the situation is when the cart before the horse - it's anti-socialist situation (see below). And opponents Mlechin absolutely right that Khrushchev's speech defended the device, those who shot the one who gave the orders, remained unpunished. But.Hardly anyone there "did not want to talk about the 20th Congress." Because it was only officially condemned the cult of personality. Yes, the concentration eliminated, but ordinary people were not aware of the content of the report. Ordinary citizens only after analyzing the Soviet sources, reached for a report his mind - and they firmly believed that Khrushchev and Stalin. Since the report was not for the people, and in addition to it. It is an illusion Mlechin that man has dominated over the Soviet terror, and Khrushchev rid society of fear. From the fear of the chief, and the subordination of party workers freed society Brezhnev. If Khrushchev rid society of fear, the whole of society in a couple of years would have recognized Khrushchev's speech to the point. And probably would have taken action - or would not accept.Of course, Khrushchev was acting in the interests of the unit, to save it. But have the apparatus at the time and really menacing threatened destruction?
Of course, at the time of withdrawal, he fell out with many, and the machine-orthodox Stalinists kept dreaming of the return of "order." Of course, Khrushchev had to fight with the machine. But its removal does not change anything special for the average citizen, although the people were running a PR, "With Kosygin and Brezhnev will live on as before."Of course, the report - it is a struggle for power, Khrushchev. He, like Stalin did not care, must know something about the power of ordinary Soviet citizen or not. Suppression of an uprising in Novocherkassk indicates continuity Stalin Line. And the virgin, by the way, according to dissidents same - to break the strong ties, established during World War II, to crush, atomize the proletariat to take anything he hands - because at that time and humus was not plowed.But Khrushchev was not confined there some report, so dear to the heart of pro-Western dissident. He thought about the future of the machine! On this below.
Let's focus on what is true in politics - the subtle thing. This means that you sit there behind the stove because you uncultured darkness. In the words of Chistyakov, however, screaming is not in place, you fool. And here lies, cowardice, crying every day - because of the intricacies of criminal, the head of state? It turns out not to lose face, we must say that in Iraq - a chemical weapon? So? provided. this lie had to say with a love for the United States? In Kurginyan love of country - a love for the Empire. In Chaadaeva - on the other, "It is better to castigate his country, but would not lie." My homeland - is the working class, including doctors, teachers, engineers, and not some kind of Stalin. I do not care to save his face.But Mlechin position: for Stalin, for - this is an underdeveloped Russian people. A - therefore - to him and say something particularly nothing, because there is someone to think. For a delicate thing - the truth, for God's ways are inscrutable-gensekovy, because not all have to be involved in politics, but only "hearing stories underground rumble" without cooks dispense!Is it now clear that the position and Kurginyan Mlechin identical?
Policy Khrushchev bailout or bombDebateKurginyan: Khrushchev party apparatus to execute the will, but not the country, he has amassed protivorechnya, the device has received immunity. He lost the ability to change the country, because of it, we have what we have.Speaker: the second half of his reign - reduced fertility, mortality goes up the loss in real wages. Derived base, went from Austria, Finland, China - no dividends. Go to scrap cruiser. Anticipated abolition of the Academy of Sciences. Removal of Khrushchev - is a coincidence of interests of the people and staff.Mlechin: Sevenfold wrote that Khrushchev began reducing military commissar, he quarreled with everyone, that's the reason for the withdrawal.Stepan Mikoyan: Khrushchev made a lot of stupid things, but in the office left many Stalinists.Mlechin: they now have that would "whip and lash" (a phrase from the memoirs of Khrushchev).S. Mikoyan: even now there are people who are upset that debunked the Soviet Union, the empire was collapsingKurginyan: Khrushchev made an attack on the church, it is one of the reasons for his removal. In agriculture, the decline in labor productivity falls. Separation of regional committees for agricultural and industrial. Ehrenburg wrote that people tried to forget the Congress 20, the youth was a Scottish shower. Viewpoint - Khrushchev freed us from the Soviet Union
Svanidze: Beneficial to affect policy Khrushchev's last generation?Zubkov: key concept - the return of law, was introduced by the criminal law, family law. Before there were illegitimate, it came up with Stalin. If we say that Khrushchev defended the interests of the party apparatus, not the people - is to understand the significance of the division of agricultural and industrial committees. And it was a struggle with the party apparatus.Glad Adjoubei 20 Congress - a feat that was not easy to do.Mlechin?: Khrushchev was trying to find a model in which it was possible to get people to work. Under socialism, without coercion is not possible, because of all the throwing, and he wanted to feed people all his life for justice.Kurginyan: a Chinese could be made to work?Mlechin: when people are willing to work for a penny from famine in the USSR it was not working, Khrushchev led us to reform.Kurginyan: people to work with the light - it was necessary to introduce corn?Svanidze 20 Congress if not the whole truth - that was the beginning.Mlechin: ridding society of fear. Khrushchev created a different society, where not to plant, workers were able to move to another firm, firm pensions, even the collective farmers.
Kurginyan: Erich Fromm wrote that Khrushchev turned socialism in economic theory, the theory of maximum demand. For Khrushchev, the goal of socialism - to provide such consumption, that capitalism has given minority. Molotov wrote that social ground Khrushchev - burgers, socialist ideas - poboku.Xenia Myalo: report did not solve the challenges facing the country. It was rough, Hapke, judgment of Stalin, all pulled off with no connection - say, allegedly forgotten Leninist roots, instead of a myth - the other: the unblemished Leninist guard. It was messy, rough .. Denying Russian Nechernozemie, Russia complete break with the range of ideas, which are called the left, these ideas have not gone. Russia was now tongueless. Was lost trust in government. Resuscitation of these ideas - with Gorbachev and Yeltsin.Mlechin: you think that it was necessary to go further to say about the Leninist system? I agree! But if we say, a small part, is better?Breaker: no need to lie, that was breaking the law, it's notion of Stalin - that was a lie, and at what state do not shoot, do not need to lie, it was a departure from the Leninist norms.S. Mikoyan: Khrushchev freed from Stalin's empire, the Soviet Union has long lived.Mlechin: this system is not reformable, it is not long, though the Soviet Union has long lived.
CommentGorgeous! It's lovely. Voting - charm. Well, the hall - it is clear room for the fact that Khrushchev - is an attempt to reform, I would have personally supported the hall. And the population - 87%, which Khrushchev laid the bomb. First. Voting population means a lot of positive. It means that the people against the government, represented Svanidze-Mlechin. This rejection is divided into two components: 1) rejection of the global invincible corruption and its consequences - the extinction of the population, 2) the rejection of foreign policy. Kuz'kina mother was much closer than the collapse of the empire.Second. Kurginyan cheated country. He put on the scales of "order" under Stalin and the Soviet Union instead of the greatness of the Soviet collapse. He assured the public that the Soviet collapse was caused by Khrushchev. This is false. This is complete nonsense. USSR destroyed or Khrushchev or his "mine" nor Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and not even with Gaidar.You see, the story - it is not the biography of kings. Solon's reforms - this is only a consequence of slave revolts. But Kurginyan with mlechintsami believes that one word depends chief history. That's what taught to think in infancy and at the highest level. On admission to MGIMO. On TV. Leading student asks the question: "What did the captain of such a bearer of fleeing from the enemy?" Answer: "The enemy - there!" Ie the opposite side. Turned-bearer, and the battle was won.No discounting of judgment. But this is only a small part of the story and not the most important part of it. But the host of "wise men and Girls" is convinced that for future diplomats is extremely important to know that King Louis XIV, fun shooting in the city center with a bird got into my wife. Not weak?
And the other side in the face of Stepan Mikoyan supported him, in the most hideous form. Mikoyan, however, pointed nose Kurginyan that the country has a long, lived after Khrushchev had been removed, and began to "correct the excesses." You can specify the - it was a very long reign of Brezhnev, who defended Kurginyan, but who could not fix a short reign of Khrushchev, the country did not collapse when breathing its last Chernenko and lasted a long time even under Gorbachev. But Mikoyan said Kurginyan rights - Khrushchev destroyed the USSR. There is, said Mikoyan still people who wish that debunked the USSR empire was collapsing.Here is the point of view! - Cried Kurginyan. Yes. He's right - Mikoyan had to be added - the evil empire, the Reagan ideology. Therefore Mikoyan with Mlechin tried to correct the situation - say, had in mind - the Stalinist empire collapsed. But the meaning of something is still there - what's the difference, collapsed Stalinist empire or the "evil empire."About Svanidze - all clear. But why is the hero of the Soviet Union Stepan Mikoyan resolutely suddenly decided to become pro-American? Why should he? Likely need to attach to the top son ... Well, God bless them. Let us return to the analysis.
Egalitarian communism, Marx writes, thinks that people should be limited to a certain standard of consumption, a person deprived of his desires. This communism, Marx said. Not only did not pass a private property, but also not up to it yet. So Myalo Kurginyan and just have not grown to the private property. What about ideas - yes, Muscovites love to talk about ideas, they have nothing more to do. Plow to the province, and generalized in fullness and purity is the capital.Erich Fromm ... Permian sociologists reading Fromm, marveled: "And this primary is being hidden?" No, Fromm is something to read. But it is absolutely stupid to understand the history of the USSR. Though Khrushchev was uneducated, but never to the consumption of socialism did not take. He understood that the machine alone can not cope with the economy. The essence of his economic reforms - the transfer of functions from the center of the field, from the ministry to the enterprise. The same thing was trying to make a favorite Kurginyanom Brezhnev, the same thing - Gorbachev. This is - the usual liberal reforms. For Mlechin not enough. They have to release Soviet markets to penetrate U.S. companies to do this, they need to eliminate the excess of centralized management.China - really "just another country". In the USSR, a more complex economy, it has more number of economic relations, and they are complicated. Head office in the USSR, in contrast to China, was unable to control the economy. Mlechin greatly helped him to get rid of such a duty.
The fact is that capitalism to fail, must develop to its limit. In the underdeveloped countries of the socialist revolution is impossible. There is a chance with a high probability of the world revolution to break the chain of imperialism and wait for help proletariat developed countries. But this is not all. We all understand Lenin wrote in a letter to Sukhanov that basis determines the superstructure. But in what the textbook says that you can not do the opposite? Converted to a revolutionary add-grown into a backward basis?Ie "Scheme" was the opposite of Marx. What do we have? The world revolution did not take place, capitalism, even in the most developed countries of the time was not yet well developed. The political alliance between the working class and the peasantry was destroyed by industrialization through the village. NEP, designed for competition, was discontinued. "Scheme" was required to turn over to be true - according to Marx. What happened - Yeltsin came to the inevitable. On randomness - later.
Let's go back to the voting. Voting against a team Mlechin Kurginyan population itself eliminates the force. Which can eliminate the Mlechin. Population voted for a strong hand that can save him from Mlechin. But no one would give him deliverance, neither God nor king nor the Secretary General.So I would prefer that people from voting silent. Not remained silent in a rag, but as in "Boris Godunov" by Alexander Pushkin.

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