Soviet man - an ideological myth or historical achievement

Casual workers Part XII
Mlechin team: in the 20 hungry country could explode at any moment - but - agitators go awry, the Bolsheviks had adopted the Russian idea.Mlechin: neither the king nor the capitalist man, and there is a Soviet citizen? - Traditions, habits - were unfortunately ...Kurginyan: but if you do not rely on the Soviet people - what for? It's 70 years, not 12 years of fascism. Replaced the anti-Soviet ideology, and in all reality it fails ... Alienation said Marx, Saint-Exupery, Erich Fromm ...Mlechin - the war in the Soviet Union went through every house ...Kurginyan quotes Yakubovich it comes to revolutionary ideals ... It comes to Berdyaev, who writes that the foundation of Russian culture - the community, this is socialism, which was manifested in the Great Patriotic War.Q. Soviet man - the one for which the work has become a necessity (oh, mama ... BI).

Mlechin quotes Kraus Mehnert, Stalin did his best to tame the rebellious Russian nature, root out all the Russian - especially in the 1st decade. Press the Soviet regime cripples russ people. Pavlov wrote Molotov fascism, oppression, dictatorship, abuse, subjugation. Man turns into a beast of the Gulag.Kurginyan: Bulgakov ("Feast of the Gods"), wrote of homo sotsialistikus - so it is impossible.Svanidze quoted Gorky: People's Commissars treat Russia as veterinarians - who instill typhoid serum. People tortured ... people imbued with the idea that violence alone will not build, emphasis on creativity ...
Question: Soviet people - a departure from tradition or development ... Russia - the only country to Orthodoxy ... Rus - the first country of socialismTeam Mlechin: enslavement of the peasants - the farm. It is a traditionPivovavarov - the Soviet people - this is the anthropic disaster, it's terribleKurginyan: Ppivovoarovu on it and see, yes, anthropic disaster ...Mlechin team before (revolution?) - The desire for pluralism, freedom, democracy, and after - his hands behind his back, that's what the Soviet reality, not your imagination.
CommentIn fact, every nation - its pribabah. Here Russia. Klyuchevskii writes that the character of the Russian people (countries) have left their mark a huge area. And anyone would write about its middle position between East and West. Yes, the only country orthodoxy. A U.S. - Protestantism? As for the 1st socialist country - is unlikely. What the hell kind of socialism. That, in France, there were few revolutions? And what Leninism-Stalinism in the economy differs from Peronism? Well, let's say that Russia - landlocked country, in contrast to the Atlantic. I wonder where geopolitics shoved Japan?
Of course, World War II - is a school. No single country can not know. Therefore, understanding the foreigners less, they are compared with the Soviet man - so-so. I've traveled the world, looked to the left intelligentsia. Very low level.No country has not given so many heroes, so many uprisings was not anywhere.But here cares. After all, if mlechintsy does not rest on anthropology, is not it have been used quite right - a catastrophe. True, the right half. Those at the top, the other half - freezing creatures like those fascists that the bottom - were not able to stand up to those who are now at the top. And this is not due to the fact that decades of Stalin suppressed. NO! This is due to the fact that the top of the party all completely supervised. That workers entrusted the care of the plant, the neighborhood, the country - uncles. Party - our leader! That Dorul before the crash. Western people more aware of the importance of money, he was more drawn to the property relations. The Soviet people than work only knew the cottage, car, garage, property master only began with the development of co-operation under Gorbachev. The market, he wrote ("To Har-ke-market prices. Romanticism") not only raises barriers between manufacturers, it creates economic ties.

Soviet man-2Kurginyan: reminds us of the courage - in comparison with France, which at the time was under Hitler.Mlechin team: it's an order to shoot at the retreat, but an order to recognize prisoners as enemies of the people?Kurginyan It is falseYuri Pivovarov: Soviet man failed, the party fled. New historical community - it is a fundamental rejection of the fundamental values: private sobstvuennosti etc, this isolation from the world, it is no alternative, it is fear.Joseph Rayselgauz today in Germany, lead tours of children to erase what they were in Nazi Germany.Kurginyan: I refuse to ask questions anthropological disaster.Svanidze: Was the Soviet people a product of a totalitarian system?Alexander gummed: Soviet people - a perfect man, not the Russian soul, and the Soviet - a belief in the center, the second feature - in the existence of the enemy.
Kurginyan: humanity believes that the Pope is infallible - what's the difference?Asmolov: that this is a totalitarian system.Kurginyan: totalitarian people exist everywhere, without the cult did not do anywhere else. Declare that fascism = communism, but it's not scientific. Stalin reads calmly, kamlaet Hitler, the same kinds of people. On Lenin wrote George Bernard Shaw, Thomas Mann ...Svanidze: and Pavlik Morozov, who had betrayed his father ...Kurginyan trying to say, that did not betray, Svanidze way.Svanidze: but believe! This is cemented, and there was something healthy.Mlechin: some believed and some did not believe, and before the revolution - a Russian man was not honest? Class honesty? Honesty - from the people!Rayselgauz: I was forced to be Pavlik Morozov ...German people brought Hitler to power ...
CommentIn debate with Mlechin Kurginyan forced to move away from Narochnitskaya - Stalin and Einstein's approach ("Lenin gave their lives ... People like Lenin, are the guardians and renovator of conscience ...") Later Kurginyan suddenly metnetsya in Gavriil Popov, say, Lenin allegedly feared that if the Duma will be able to advance the situation, and the agrarian question will be decided by the Prussian path, "we Khan", and when the Duma failed, allegedly exulted ...Is an exact expression Kurginyan the totalitarian person exists everywhere. But not disclosed. Totalitarianism and Stalinism are not a winning two or three countries. This pattern worldwide. The forms are different, the essence is - the centralization of financial capital. To suppress the thought in the so-called liberal democracies use the white noise of pluralism. On the background of the state to impose their point of view. As noted Ernst Neizvestny, having been in the States: "The same conformity. Only the shape is different. "About that Pavlik was physically unable to betray his father - already knows the whole country, except the team led by Mlechin Svanidze. But why are so hated liberal mlechintsy Pavlik? Indeed, in their favorite States adopted children to knock on their parents to the police. There is generally widespread snitching, Stalinism and fascism rest. Moreover, it is raised to the benefactor: when a neighbor snitched to the police on a neighbor that he was in the wrong place need the right, so then comes to his house and said: 'I snitched on you! Well, tell me thank you! "About fairness. It is different. One honest - at the bottom, at the top of another. For baseman Pavlik - the hero, for Mlechin snitches Americans - good people, and the Soviet Pavlik, though he could not physically at my father squeal, never mind a scoundrel. So look, whose honesty is better.One thing clear: as Mlechin occurred to accuse the Brezhnev era in snitching. Is he all of us scum believes? He had run into hard workers. It is they, with the mess in the production emanating from Moscow, believed in the center? And what about the enemy. Is it not? Is not that the Yankees bombed Belgrade, killing children?

Soviet man-3
Kurginyan: we must rely on the Soviet man, take out all the good things.Mlechin: why look for support in the fictional past and not the present, and not before the revolution? Soviet man - this is exactly what we have today.Team Mlechin: Soviet people and Soviet system - a dead end. Our people survived the disaster, historical, anthropological and all.
Kurginyan: we were rockets, Nickel, etc., etc. - All - the Soviet people. When I break up the Soviet Union prevented, I was in the minority. Must be taken from the best of the Soviet man.Mlechintsy: Fromm and quote someone else: the Soviet people - greedy. Life in general was terrible, but it's nothing compared to what was done to the church, with the nobles, we were criminals, we do not let me go further, we must abandon ourselves, repentKurginyan: Soviet man - eater in your opinion?Chernyshov: a country can make you very sick, but it's not an excuse.Mlechin - Soviet times repelled by the ability to do something, the capacity for self-organization.Kurginyan: desecration of the fathers - it is a mutation, let's get back until late.
Svanidze: Bekhterev cites that several years of terror, combined with hunger - anthropological changes. Soviet man childish, hoping to master, for the state, not the ability to protect their interests.
CommentThere are three types: the Soviet people of the Brezhnev era, which could swing on strike, which was self-esteem, as a steady job and salary. And there is the modern Russian people, intimidated, without faith, humiliated - when any protest meet him, they say, do not want to, so go away, no one will remember. Yes, just do not pay attention to the protest. Even scream - top of the drum. These two types, of course, related, one follows from the other, but not identical to it. Draw something out of this progressive Russian man of this type is impossible. And there is new growth, which does not follow from the Soviet past. This drugged, illiterate, greedy, unscrupulous, spiritless little people. Mlechin of them want to learn something?Regarding spondylitis. On the children of the great nature rests. Consider it (and Sergei Kapitza) as a serious scientist silly.But what we can take from a good Soviet citizen? And what is it? If we talk about the humanitarian intelligentsia - God forbid. If we talk about the Georgians and the Baltic states with their Russophobia - God forbid. Maybe you need to take anything from the Kazakhs, Turkmen, Kyrgyz, Tajiks? What is meant Kurginyan? Even if there is a certain average Soviet citizen - who stick all good? On what ground? What the demagoguery at Kurginyan?