Journal of opposition MPI live honestly, a lot of workMonkey with a grenadeperskiyOctober 30, 14:27The closer the election, the more political parties suffer populism. Most of them put forward in the election fever initiatives idiotic costly, but more or less harmless.
But the leadership of the Communist Party, figuratively speaking, took the matches and climbed with them at the ammunition depot. These piss artist decided to return to the passport column "nationality."
But the state has no right to do so.
Because the "nationality" - a person belonging to one or more people. It is personal and evolving nature. And then to go into who a person is aware of - Russian, Jewish, Polish or all at once - the official structures do not.
Every Russian citizen has rights and duties before the state and the state has obligations to its citizens. And this is just pay attention.
The fifth graph Stalin introduced in 1932. But nationality for centuries existed prior to its innovations, and will exist long after the abolition of fifth paragraph. People and their national consciousness, there is not because it is written in the document.
Is it in the Communist Party do not understand this?
Understand perfectly. Simply, they see that nationalism (both Russian and non-Russian peoples) was played to excess. Including up to the level of neo-fascism and armed separatism. And try to use this unacceptable situation for personal gain
By the way, after the introduction of such graphs are pretty lose anything Russian. Many are written by the Cossacks, the Great Russians, kolymchanami, Pomorie, and so on. During the last census, many elves do samooboznachalis, and nothing else.
A separate question - age. The first passport was issued in 14-16 years. From a teenager during these years to know how to sign up? According to his father? As a mother? By place of residence? Inevitably, multiple changes in your passport, as well as requirements to write a double or triple nationality.
Incidentally, an interesting point.
Communist MP Sergei Obukhov told us that the Russian Federation - is primarily a state of the Russian people and other peoples.
Mr. comrade-Obukhov apparently forgot that the Soviet Union for almost a century of Russian etched every nationalism. The official motto of the Soviet Union was internationalism, the brotherhood of nations. There was no "Russian". They were all "Soviet".
Therefore, all attempts to fellow masters of the Communist Party play in, "we are for the Russian" - not just another cynical tent. Not very skillful, but quite dangerous.
We have about 28 million "non-Russian" citizens. In their "own" republics of them live on less than half. Imagine how they would react to the attempt to climb into their passport with regular graphs. Some of the Tatars of Moscow will be enough to forget about some stability and territorial integrity.
As has been said before, these challenges are no simple solutions. Ethnic crime, illegal migration, the demographic hole and other woes Russia must be corrected systematically.
Through the establishment of normal justice, police, adequate migration policy, and so on. And enter the column "nationality" in the passport - it's like a house fire, to bring the cockroaches.
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stingvv2011-10-30 08:44 (UTC)among other things, some irresponsible people mark themselves elves, goblins, another, and some - LJ supervision.
perskiy2011-10-30 09:32 (UTC)Russia was always famous people with a rich imagination. Topics and strong.
tevrizskii2011-10-30 09:14 (UTC)Of course, Mr. Persky, nationality is the changing nature of yesterday was a Russian, Tatar was tomorrow, the day after Kyrgyzstan, and then you can be Chinese or Malay and. Everything changes in this sublunary world! Changing beliefs, changing, and the party that in the regional Duma is sand, but not the only change is the power of the power of gold. What appears and allows you to always be in the Regional Duma deputy corps?
perskiy2011-10-30 09:31 (UTC)In the Regional Duma deputy corps to me seven years in a row can be high quality and hard work for people.
My belief all these years has not changed even once.
And there's some "silazolota" To be honest, did not understand at all.
tevrizskii2011-10-30 13:02 (UTC)Georgy, readily believe that your beliefs have not changed at all, but I can not agree that you chose the people, for your hard work (even if we accept the existence of such) as the people in the current electoral system plays the role of a statistician and then last resort. And therefore we assume that your statement about people - the joke. You love to joke.Based on the fact that your beliefs have not changed, but changed parties, you represent to the Regional Duma, it must be admitted that the parties have not, (after the party - is primarily an ideology, the idea expressed in the beliefs of the members of this party) or to accept the fact that all these parties simply branches of one party, with a single ideology, created for duping voters, and therefore, no matter from what party you are sitting today in the Duma, because the party is just one! Do not tell me what this party?
perskiy2011-10-30 13:49 (UTC)1. If you think people "supernumerary" - your right. And I think it is their employer.
2. In the Duma, I represent the interests of voters. The fact that the Sverdlovsk Communist Party in recent times resembles a branch of "United Russia", quite sad for me, but the fact remains.
3. If you look at the voting member Persky and what he brought legislation - you will see that in the interests of residents Svedlovskoy area.
I do not specifically target to poke a stick in the wheel of the party in power, but most of my initiatives are contrary to its general line.
So here is this whole rhetoric about "all the parties - branches of one party" - it's not for me, please.
tevrizskii2011-10-30 14:41 (UTC)The people, of course, loves overtures toward him, and may appreciate your remarks. You can assume anything about the employer, but you can not ignore the facts that say that the elections by party lists, admitted to in the elections, depriving people of real opportunities to elect their representatives to the legislature and defend their interests.You talk a lot about his legislative activities and to present it as an activity for the benefit of the people, however, a clear trend deterioration in the quality of living, cost of living, dying people. That is, is an activity for the benefit, but there is no good.Is your "heroic" element of sustaining the activities of the parasitic system, rather than to resolve it? And it's you assessment of the parties to disown, in fact, every party member is personally responsible for the state of affairs in the party, and you have changed several parties, and may give an inside look, but do not want. I understand that you do not wish to engage in a frank dialogue with the voters, who so lovingly call the Employer.
perskiy2011-10-30 16:09 (UTC)1. Elections by party lists devised not by me. And I'm not so powerful, so that they cancel2. Apart from party lists, there is a single mandate, is not it?3. From my work is the result. And for the affairs of other members, I can not answer, sorry.4. Why do not I wish? Tell me, what party to assess - estimate5. My work is not aimed at preserving the stability of the system, as well as for its destruction
tevrizskii2011-10-30 16:26 (UTC)Elections by party lists are not invented by you, but you did not play against and does not act, and therefore acknowledge. Acknowledge a violation of the constitutional rights of citizens to be elected to state bodies.As for the single-mandate, I think, too, is clear: when the legislature pass a group of party lists and single mandate is simply forced to acknowledge their supremacy. To control any institution it is important to take all the space guidelines, and provide an advantage.The MP is not an individual who is responsible only for their own purely personal matter, and is a member of the legislature, and shall be responsible for the activities of this body as a whole. Anyone who wants to achieve a result is looking for ways and means of achieving, and those who do not want to - finds an excuse.And on what your activities are aimed at enhancing the personal well-being?We can devote to the extent to which the Communist Party meets its stated theses on social justice in society.(
perskiy2011-10-30 16:33 (UTC)1. Election by party list - not the worst possible parliamentary systems.2. Cancel them, I certainly can not. And if I can not, then why do useful things instead of wasting time at the windmills?3. Mandate candidates have? And who are they, bednyazhek, forced? In the majority of the party in power, I somehow manage to move the right laws. They who stirs?4. Do not try to accuse me of responsibility for the entire Duma once. I'm not the speaker, not representative of the majority. Just deputy.5. My personal wealth has been strengthened even before getting into the Duma. I can not do for his MP are. In contrast, spend, and spend a lot. One salary to charity took more than five million.6. Sverdlovsk Communist Party, led by a thief, a liar and a pedophile Dmitry Shadrin, is currently the de facto branch of the "United Russia". And establishes social justice in exactly the amounts in which it dictates the party in power. That is my opinion.
tevrizskii2011-10-30 17:42 (UTC)You can not tell - that's not the worst, if we abstract from reality and not consider that the formation and registration of political parties is governed by an executive unit, and even the cruelest way. Or you this, as oppositionist know?Of course, why fight the system! It is much nicer to work with her, getting bonuses and fun. But what about people??"Just a deputy!" How modest! Psychology of the little man ... and why the little man's mandate?You have 7 years of a deputy, that is, support themselves comfortable life until the year 2004? And how so many could have earned in such a short period of embezzlement of state property !!!!? not share the secret?"One of salary to charity took more than five million." Good for you !!!!! You do not accidentally print money?As we can see you're just an eagle philanthropist. It's in the Saltykov-Shchedrin is a fairy tale. Read at your leisure, maybe something will gather.And in truth, the problem is not the deputy engaged in charity, and create favorable conditions for the life of citizens who do not need a cheap cup of soup for the preservation of life and who has a job, family, decent wages and social guarantees.
perskiy2011-10-30 18:43 (UTC)You know, I struggled trying to be polite to you and welcoming.
And you hamite.
For example, now you call me drain on public property. That is, simply, a thief.
You can prove your words?
tevrizskii2011-10-31 05:20 (UTC)Georgy, resentment lot cooks, and no matter how YOU as a deputy!I'm just asking: how did you earn, and do not steal the money and in such a short period, which I defined as the period of theft of state property, and you've found a reason to play hurt.You did not like what I defined 90 as the period of embezzlement of state property, then explain that in this case is not so? Maybe you define the 90s, as the years of heroic deeds and achievements in building the state and society? Then share your thoughts with their employers and they appreciate it.I'm not trying to be polite and friendly, but I am competitive, but not on the basis of distortion of the truth, including history.Source: http://perskiy.livejournal.com/58517.html?thread=582037 # t582037
But the leadership of the Communist Party, figuratively speaking, took the matches and climbed with them at the ammunition depot. These piss artist decided to return to the passport column "nationality."
But the state has no right to do so.
Because the "nationality" - a person belonging to one or more people. It is personal and evolving nature. And then to go into who a person is aware of - Russian, Jewish, Polish or all at once - the official structures do not.
Every Russian citizen has rights and duties before the state and the state has obligations to its citizens. And this is just pay attention.
The fifth graph Stalin introduced in 1932. But nationality for centuries existed prior to its innovations, and will exist long after the abolition of fifth paragraph. People and their national consciousness, there is not because it is written in the document.
Is it in the Communist Party do not understand this?
Understand perfectly. Simply, they see that nationalism (both Russian and non-Russian peoples) was played to excess. Including up to the level of neo-fascism and armed separatism. And try to use this unacceptable situation for personal gain
By the way, after the introduction of such graphs are pretty lose anything Russian. Many are written by the Cossacks, the Great Russians, kolymchanami, Pomorie, and so on. During the last census, many elves do samooboznachalis, and nothing else.
A separate question - age. The first passport was issued in 14-16 years. From a teenager during these years to know how to sign up? According to his father? As a mother? By place of residence? Inevitably, multiple changes in your passport, as well as requirements to write a double or triple nationality.
Incidentally, an interesting point.
Communist MP Sergei Obukhov told us that the Russian Federation - is primarily a state of the Russian people and other peoples.
Mr. comrade-Obukhov apparently forgot that the Soviet Union for almost a century of Russian etched every nationalism. The official motto of the Soviet Union was internationalism, the brotherhood of nations. There was no "Russian". They were all "Soviet".
Therefore, all attempts to fellow masters of the Communist Party play in, "we are for the Russian" - not just another cynical tent. Not very skillful, but quite dangerous.
We have about 28 million "non-Russian" citizens. In their "own" republics of them live on less than half. Imagine how they would react to the attempt to climb into their passport with regular graphs. Some of the Tatars of Moscow will be enough to forget about some stability and territorial integrity.
As has been said before, these challenges are no simple solutions. Ethnic crime, illegal migration, the demographic hole and other woes Russia must be corrected systematically.
Through the establishment of normal justice, police, adequate migration policy, and so on. And enter the column "nationality" in the passport - it's like a house fire, to bring the cockroaches.
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stingvv2011-10-30 08:44 (UTC)among other things, some irresponsible people mark themselves elves, goblins, another, and some - LJ supervision.
perskiy2011-10-30 09:32 (UTC)Russia was always famous people with a rich imagination. Topics and strong.
tevrizskii2011-10-30 09:14 (UTC)Of course, Mr. Persky, nationality is the changing nature of yesterday was a Russian, Tatar was tomorrow, the day after Kyrgyzstan, and then you can be Chinese or Malay and. Everything changes in this sublunary world! Changing beliefs, changing, and the party that in the regional Duma is sand, but not the only change is the power of the power of gold. What appears and allows you to always be in the Regional Duma deputy corps?
perskiy2011-10-30 09:31 (UTC)In the Regional Duma deputy corps to me seven years in a row can be high quality and hard work for people.
My belief all these years has not changed even once.
And there's some "silazolota" To be honest, did not understand at all.
tevrizskii2011-10-30 13:02 (UTC)Georgy, readily believe that your beliefs have not changed at all, but I can not agree that you chose the people, for your hard work (even if we accept the existence of such) as the people in the current electoral system plays the role of a statistician and then last resort. And therefore we assume that your statement about people - the joke. You love to joke.Based on the fact that your beliefs have not changed, but changed parties, you represent to the Regional Duma, it must be admitted that the parties have not, (after the party - is primarily an ideology, the idea expressed in the beliefs of the members of this party) or to accept the fact that all these parties simply branches of one party, with a single ideology, created for duping voters, and therefore, no matter from what party you are sitting today in the Duma, because the party is just one! Do not tell me what this party?
perskiy2011-10-30 13:49 (UTC)1. If you think people "supernumerary" - your right. And I think it is their employer.
2. In the Duma, I represent the interests of voters. The fact that the Sverdlovsk Communist Party in recent times resembles a branch of "United Russia", quite sad for me, but the fact remains.
3. If you look at the voting member Persky and what he brought legislation - you will see that in the interests of residents Svedlovskoy area.
I do not specifically target to poke a stick in the wheel of the party in power, but most of my initiatives are contrary to its general line.
So here is this whole rhetoric about "all the parties - branches of one party" - it's not for me, please.
tevrizskii2011-10-30 14:41 (UTC)The people, of course, loves overtures toward him, and may appreciate your remarks. You can assume anything about the employer, but you can not ignore the facts that say that the elections by party lists, admitted to in the elections, depriving people of real opportunities to elect their representatives to the legislature and defend their interests.You talk a lot about his legislative activities and to present it as an activity for the benefit of the people, however, a clear trend deterioration in the quality of living, cost of living, dying people. That is, is an activity for the benefit, but there is no good.Is your "heroic" element of sustaining the activities of the parasitic system, rather than to resolve it? And it's you assessment of the parties to disown, in fact, every party member is personally responsible for the state of affairs in the party, and you have changed several parties, and may give an inside look, but do not want. I understand that you do not wish to engage in a frank dialogue with the voters, who so lovingly call the Employer.
perskiy2011-10-30 16:09 (UTC)1. Elections by party lists devised not by me. And I'm not so powerful, so that they cancel2. Apart from party lists, there is a single mandate, is not it?3. From my work is the result. And for the affairs of other members, I can not answer, sorry.4. Why do not I wish? Tell me, what party to assess - estimate5. My work is not aimed at preserving the stability of the system, as well as for its destruction
tevrizskii2011-10-30 16:26 (UTC)Elections by party lists are not invented by you, but you did not play against and does not act, and therefore acknowledge. Acknowledge a violation of the constitutional rights of citizens to be elected to state bodies.As for the single-mandate, I think, too, is clear: when the legislature pass a group of party lists and single mandate is simply forced to acknowledge their supremacy. To control any institution it is important to take all the space guidelines, and provide an advantage.The MP is not an individual who is responsible only for their own purely personal matter, and is a member of the legislature, and shall be responsible for the activities of this body as a whole. Anyone who wants to achieve a result is looking for ways and means of achieving, and those who do not want to - finds an excuse.And on what your activities are aimed at enhancing the personal well-being?We can devote to the extent to which the Communist Party meets its stated theses on social justice in society.(
perskiy2011-10-30 16:33 (UTC)1. Election by party list - not the worst possible parliamentary systems.2. Cancel them, I certainly can not. And if I can not, then why do useful things instead of wasting time at the windmills?3. Mandate candidates have? And who are they, bednyazhek, forced? In the majority of the party in power, I somehow manage to move the right laws. They who stirs?4. Do not try to accuse me of responsibility for the entire Duma once. I'm not the speaker, not representative of the majority. Just deputy.5. My personal wealth has been strengthened even before getting into the Duma. I can not do for his MP are. In contrast, spend, and spend a lot. One salary to charity took more than five million.6. Sverdlovsk Communist Party, led by a thief, a liar and a pedophile Dmitry Shadrin, is currently the de facto branch of the "United Russia". And establishes social justice in exactly the amounts in which it dictates the party in power. That is my opinion.
tevrizskii2011-10-30 17:42 (UTC)You can not tell - that's not the worst, if we abstract from reality and not consider that the formation and registration of political parties is governed by an executive unit, and even the cruelest way. Or you this, as oppositionist know?Of course, why fight the system! It is much nicer to work with her, getting bonuses and fun. But what about people??"Just a deputy!" How modest! Psychology of the little man ... and why the little man's mandate?You have 7 years of a deputy, that is, support themselves comfortable life until the year 2004? And how so many could have earned in such a short period of embezzlement of state property !!!!? not share the secret?"One of salary to charity took more than five million." Good for you !!!!! You do not accidentally print money?As we can see you're just an eagle philanthropist. It's in the Saltykov-Shchedrin is a fairy tale. Read at your leisure, maybe something will gather.And in truth, the problem is not the deputy engaged in charity, and create favorable conditions for the life of citizens who do not need a cheap cup of soup for the preservation of life and who has a job, family, decent wages and social guarantees.
perskiy2011-10-30 18:43 (UTC)You know, I struggled trying to be polite to you and welcoming.
And you hamite.
For example, now you call me drain on public property. That is, simply, a thief.
You can prove your words?
tevrizskii2011-10-31 05:20 (UTC)Georgy, resentment lot cooks, and no matter how YOU as a deputy!I'm just asking: how did you earn, and do not steal the money and in such a short period, which I defined as the period of theft of state property, and you've found a reason to play hurt.You did not like what I defined 90 as the period of embezzlement of state property, then explain that in this case is not so? Maybe you define the 90s, as the years of heroic deeds and achievements in building the state and society? Then share your thoughts with their employers and they appreciate it.I'm not trying to be polite and friendly, but I am competitive, but not on the basis of distortion of the truth, including history.Source: http://perskiy.livejournal.com/58517.html?thread=582037 # t582037
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